Obey or Die!
June 5th, 2009 - 1:18 am
Tonight, I ran across a web site I was certain had to be a parody, a spoof, being completely preposterous on purpose, someone having some fun. What I was reading was so diametrically opposed to the universe and reality I happen to live in, it could be nothing but a joke. A bad one, but still something meant to be entertaining in some odd funny way. I didn’t find it terribly funny, so I went to Google to make sure I had this person’s official web site. Surely not. It had to be someone spoofing that person and trying to make them look like complete and total moonbats.
But no … I was in fact reading the web site of an internet broadcaster, and he is completely and totally for real.
For example:
“Tonight at 9:00 PM, “The Hal Turner Show” will talk about the recent killing of an abortionist and what the shooter did wrong. No, not the shooting itself; but rather what he did wrong that got him caught!
We’ll talk at length about how to carry out such an act and significantly reduce the chances of getting caught.”
Or…
“Let me be the first to say this plainly: These Judges deserve to be killed. Their blood will replenish the tree of liberty. A small price to pay to assure freedom for millions.”
And finally…
“It is our intent to foment direct action against these individuals personally. These beastly government officials should be made an example of as a warning to others in government: Obey the Constitution or die.
If any state attorney, police department or court thinks they’re going to get uppity with us about this; I suspect we have enough bullets to put them down too.”
His name is Hal Turner. I should hope it comes as no surprise he’s been arrested. What I find surprising is how many people on the internet seem to think he’s getting a raw deal, because “Free speech!!! Rah! Rah! There can be no limits on free speech!”
Well, there are all sorts of limits on freedom in the USA, and if there weren’t, we wouldn’t have prisons full of people who had broken “laws” of some sort. Freedom is just a steady state where the majority of people are at least content with the way things are going, and when the majority is no longer pleased with their particular flavor of freedom, they change the way things are going until it is pleasing again. We are only as free as our personally applied chains allow.
One of the things we, as a society and civilization have agreed upon is it is generally a very bad thing to kill someone, except under very specific circumstances. Another thing we have agreed on –or so I thought– is it is also a very bad thing to convince, persuade, entice, provoke, or incite others to kill or harm someone. Not to mention publicly stating you have enough bullets to “put down” state attorneys, police officers, and members of the court is, to put it in overly mild terms, is never ever considered wise.
I feel sorry for Mr. Turner, not because he got arrested for speaking his mind, but because he must be suffering from some kind of mental condition. No rational and sane mind would post and say things like the above and then be surprised or outraged about being arrested.
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4 Responses to “Obey or Die!”
Inciting insurrection is not constitutionally protected.
I’d imagine, depending on scale, it might even fall into the realm if treason.
And people always forget the First Amendment says you can say what you want, but it doesn’t say you have any right to be protected from the consequences of doing so.
This Hal Turner guy though, HOLY COW! I am still flabbergasted about the stuff on his web site, and I only read the first page with the most recent posts. Who knows what insanity lurks further in. Threatening to put down cops, judges, and attorneys?! How does that not lead to getting arrested?! I hope there aren’t too many more like him out there. That guy is scary.
John Brown was hanged for treason and sedition.Two years later northern soldiers were singing John Browns Song (or the Battle Hymn of the Republic)two years later as they marched into the South.
I hope they make him a martyr.
John Brown was made out to be a crazy too in the popular papers at the time of his hanging.
You’re comparing the leader of an extra-governmental abolitionist militia to Hal Turner … a white supremacist and anti-semite who thinks the Jews (and many others) need to be rounded up and killed? Really?! Who is Hal Turner protecting or trying to free?
Sorry if I don’t see the comparison. John Brown wanted to free the slaves, and his hope was to be able to do so with the least amount of violence and death possible. Hal Turner wants to kill Jews, judges, politicians, Hispanics, health care providers, African-Americans, and anyone who disagrees with his warped view that the white man is being oppressed … and all he does is promote violence and killing.
And I didn’t discover Hal Turner was crazy from a newspaper. I heard he’d been arrested, didn’t know who he was, went to his web site, and read his own words. His words speak for themselves. Hal Turner is a psychopath. Nobody has to make him out to be crazy. He simply is crazy.